No, I'm asking because anyone who's spoken to him once can see that he's unstable. Maybe he was getting headway with like minds, but not most of the people speaking there.
You made an example that didn't need to be made.
And in my experience, someone like Matches? He's likely to go off and do whatever he's been told not to do. I've seen it before. He's obviously used to making a scene.
That's why I told him to go do it, see what happens next - and he hasn't.
I will be making an appeal to Gaby to remove him from future safehouses when things settle. Hafid as well, should he refuse to calm down. They speak of liabilities as though they aren't two of the most glaring we have.
The thing is, as far as I can tell, they were handled before you stepped in. I agree with your point overall, but you can see that, can't you? You can diffuse a situation with them without instigating a new one.
I'm not saying the method is a poor one, but you can't antagonize someone and hope that it goes in your favor in the end. That doesn't make you an objective party to bring that concern forward.
I only realized belatedly that "Matches" is a friend of Markus'. That was the only unintended thing that happened. His threats against me were... uninspiring. If he wants to break my nose, that's fine. It'll only prove my point.
No. I'm genuinely trying to understand. I can firmly say that I have a feeling that until Matches actually acts on one of his threats, then you won't have much of a say. Putting yourself in danger won't help. And getting on Loki's bad side isn't a good idea.
And he will come to his boyfriend's defense.
[Used purposefully here.]
And his own, if he feels that's at risk. He doesn't need to visibly come to Matches' defense to make a note of what was happening.
That said, it's beginning to look like we'll be making the decisions on who stays and who goes soon.
So everyone should stop doing what they think is right because Loki will be mad? I'm not afraid of him; he's my friend and he's smarter than you give him credit for. If he takes issue with this, then he can speak with me. Until then, I won't be discussing him behind his back.
As for you, you're speaking to me as though I'm unable to see all of the facets of my own decision. I see them very clearly, so I'd like it if we could move on.
It's not Gaby that you'll be making your plea to, it'll be the rest of us. I'm not saying you have to think that far ahead. You don't. But we have to be cautious about which battles are worth proving, and which fires are worth starting. We can't risk splitting our numbers once we hit that point.
First off, I'm used to dealing with teenagers when it comes to this stuff. So, if I sound that way, I'm sorry.
Secondly, I think we have to be cautious, because inciting certain behavior in someone can create a mob mentality against them. I'm not saying that Matches and Hafid don't need to be checked, but I sincerely don't know if you've seen where those actions can lead.
I have.
When my people first touched the ground, we were chaotic, loud, and emotional. I obviously wasn't one of them, but that didn't keep me from being swept up in it. Someone I know died during those early days, and eager to find someone at fault, they hung someone up because of circumstantial evidence. They nearly killed him. Imagine an image of a hundred kids standing around and shouting for that.
He lashed out. Rightfully so. He tried to kill the actual culprit. We exiled him.
That exile exposed him. He got tortured. I'll spare you the details, but it wasn't good. And it happened to him multiple times. Everyone had a good reason to have a problem with him. I was even the one who came up with the exile in the first place.
That kid is my friend now. He's saved my life. But if that torture had resulted in his death, I probably wouldn't be here talking to you.
I'm not going to say that Matches and Hafid are secretly good guys. I don't like them. They do present a problem for our group. I just think that moving forward, we shouldn't be quick to cast aside those of us who haven't actually acted in a certain way. Not yet. And consider those actions when we do.
You sincerely don't know and yet immediately assume you lead in expertise? When it comes to Markus and I - especially Markus - I suggest you don't. I'm very sorry that you and your friend had to go through such awful things, but merely asking me could've saved you the grief of recounting it again. And though I shouldn't have to explain myself to someone who said they agreed with me, I will to make a point.
Mob mentalities are something I was programmed to understand. Even if I wasn't, I've experienced it firsthand myself.
All it takes is one abused android defending themselves after realizing that their circumstances aren't fair to start a hunt of all models with the intent to destroy them - an entire species, wiped from the face of the Earth. I was at the helm of this hunt, Clarke, forced to be a part of it. Humans reach for their guns at the first sign of something threatening their precarious balance at the top of the food chain and that's what I've seen in Matches and Hafid. Don't you understand? Markus and I were victims of this mob mentality and we learned from it.
We survived it. Now we're here in a time when we didn't.
Two men we know nothing about are imprisoned and their first instinct is to kill them, reminding me distinctly just how little control humans have over their own emotions. If we had influential figureheads - you, Markus, Fitz, or anyone else with a loud enough voice - agree with those ideas enough to rally and act on them, then I'm certain that those men would be dead. It bears a frightening similarity to the mob mentality we witnessed at home.
I'm not going to pit everyone against one another, because I'm logical; they don't need any help burning themselves down as they've begun to already. Matches and Hafid pose a threat and I will be bringing my observations forward with or without help from any of you. Not out of spite or intent to cause a mutiny, but out of self-preservation and a desire to protect Markus who's the most peace-faring of us all. It's as simple as that, Clarke.
Sorry, but don't expect any further replies today. I'm displeased and I know when to walk away, I just hope that the next time we speak you'll think better of me.
[Is it cold to see that Connor is too close to this? To believe in that? As far as Clarke can see, he can only see a parallel between what happened to his people back home. Does it make her hypocritical to believe that her circumstances are different? And where does Murphy stand in this comparison? Where people are wiped away and nearly forgotten?
Murphy hadn't felt he was important enough to matter to Clarke and Bellamy. A straggler. A tag along. He had accused her of him not being important. Now she's using his story as a weapon to try to keep Connor in line.
Perhaps she's too cold to assess this situation sympathetically. She's overly objective. Too removed. Not willing to think with her heart over her head. She hadn't engaged.]
You have to understand one thing. None of us would have acted on their rash suggestion.
You need to trust that. And right now, you're asking that we move on someone else's rash decision: yours.
I trust you. I'm your friend. That's why I'm even bothering to speak to you about this. Please keep that in mind.
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You made an example that didn't need to be made.
And in my experience, someone like Matches? He's likely to go off and do whatever he's been told not to do. I've seen it before. He's obviously used to making a scene.
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I will be making an appeal to Gaby to remove him from future safehouses when things settle. Hafid as well, should he refuse to calm down. They speak of liabilities as though they aren't two of the most glaring we have.
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Now I have evidence to show Gaby and a better case against him.
(this is a little diabolical but For The Greater Good apparently, jfc)
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I only realized belatedly that "Matches" is a friend of Markus'. That was the only unintended thing that happened. His threats against me were... uninspiring. If he wants to break my nose, that's fine. It'll only prove my point.
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which is it? actually? connor wonders.)
Thank you for the warning. Is that everything you wanted to speak with me about?
I don't mean to be rude, but if you're going to point out all of the people I may or may have angered with my behaviour, we'll be here all day.
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And he will come to his boyfriend's defense.
[Used purposefully here.]
And his own, if he feels that's at risk. He doesn't need to visibly come to Matches' defense to make a note of what was happening.
That said, it's beginning to look like we'll be making the decisions on who stays and who goes soon.
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As for you, you're speaking to me as though I'm unable to see all of the facets of my own decision. I see them very clearly, so I'd like it if we could move on.
Do you mean decisions on the new safehouse?
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Never mind.
If you have nothing else on your mind, I should be going. I have a lot to do.
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It's not Gaby that you'll be making your plea to, it'll be the rest of us. I'm not saying you have to think that far ahead. You don't. But we have to be cautious about which battles are worth proving, and which fires are worth starting. We can't risk splitting our numbers once we hit that point.
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But first, I need you to understand that this isn't an attack.
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Get to your point, if there is one.
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Secondly, I think we have to be cautious, because inciting certain behavior in someone can create a mob mentality against them. I'm not saying that Matches and Hafid don't need to be checked, but I sincerely don't know if you've seen where those actions can lead.
I have.
When my people first touched the ground, we were chaotic, loud, and emotional. I obviously wasn't one of them, but that didn't keep me from being swept up in it. Someone I know died during those early days, and eager to find someone at fault, they hung someone up because of circumstantial evidence. They nearly killed him. Imagine an image of a hundred kids standing around and shouting for that.
He lashed out. Rightfully so. He tried to kill the actual culprit. We exiled him.
That exile exposed him. He got tortured. I'll spare you the details, but it wasn't good. And it happened to him multiple times. Everyone had a good reason to have a problem with him. I was even the one who came up with the exile in the first place.
That kid is my friend now. He's saved my life. But if that torture had resulted in his death, I probably wouldn't be here talking to you.
I'm not going to say that Matches and Hafid are secretly good guys. I don't like them. They do present a problem for our group. I just think that moving forward, we shouldn't be quick to cast aside those of us who haven't actually acted in a certain way. Not yet. And consider those actions when we do.
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Mob mentalities are something I was programmed to understand. Even if I wasn't, I've experienced it firsthand myself.
All it takes is one abused android defending themselves after realizing that their circumstances aren't fair to start a hunt of all models with the intent to destroy them - an entire species, wiped from the face of the Earth. I was at the helm of this hunt, Clarke, forced to be a part of it. Humans reach for their guns at the first sign of something threatening their precarious balance at the top of the food chain and that's what I've seen in Matches and Hafid. Don't you understand? Markus and I were victims of this mob mentality and we learned from it.
We survived it. Now we're here in a time when we didn't.
Two men we know nothing about are imprisoned and their first instinct is to kill them, reminding me distinctly just how little control humans have over their own emotions. If we had influential figureheads - you, Markus, Fitz, or anyone else with a loud enough voice - agree with those ideas enough to rally and act on them, then I'm certain that those men would be dead. It bears a frightening similarity to the mob mentality we witnessed at home.
I'm not going to pit everyone against one another, because I'm logical; they don't need any help burning themselves down as they've begun to already. Matches and Hafid pose a threat and I will be bringing my observations forward with or without help from any of you. Not out of spite or intent to cause a mutiny, but out of self-preservation and a desire to protect Markus who's the most peace-faring of us all. It's as simple as that, Clarke.
Sorry, but don't expect any further replies today. I'm displeased and I know when to walk away, I just hope that the next time we speak you'll think better of me.
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Murphy hadn't felt he was important enough to matter to Clarke and Bellamy. A straggler. A tag along. He had accused her of him not being important. Now she's using his story as a weapon to try to keep Connor in line.
Perhaps she's too cold to assess this situation sympathetically. She's overly objective. Too removed. Not willing to think with her heart over her head. She hadn't engaged.]
You have to understand one thing. None of us would have acted on their rash suggestion.
You need to trust that. And right now, you're asking that we move on someone else's rash decision: yours.
I trust you. I'm your friend. That's why I'm even bothering to speak to you about this. Please keep that in mind.
And no, I don't expect a response.